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E-PrinceOn the sunday of Lawnparties this fall, Michele Tyler '12 and Lola Aceves '11 passed on the usual Princeton garb of sundresses and sandals, instead donning very different outfits: knee-high black boots with studs, heavy black eye makeup, short black ...
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Good to hear that some people on this campus have decent taste in music, as opposed to the pretentious indie bullshit everyone always seems to be listening to.
Oh and by the way, we have more than 5 members!!! lol
Midweek evenings are busy times for students apparently.
"We're all at the same intellectual level, we go to the same classes, and we go to the same school, so why are you discriminating against me as if I'm inferior in some way because of the clothing I wear?" she asked. "I don't think I even own a sundress," Tyler added. "I'm not going to go out of my way to adhere to what everyone else is wearing."
Don't play the victim here...Lawnparties is a themed costume party, and you probably would have gotten the same reaction if you came in a ball gown or overalls. The whole fun of the event is to go out of your way to adhere to a ridiculous dress code; its pretty clear that Princeton students don't dress like that normally, and most everyone besides you who went seemed to get it.
I understand that Lawnparties is a "themed costume party." And yet I can't help but noticing the same exact style of dress everyday on campus. Regardless of the unique situation, it still stands that "preppy" is standard at this school.
I don't think that if I'd worn "a ball gown or overalls" the hostility would have been a factor. Students would probably have laughed, in the spirit of the event and its sometimes ridiculous (yet still fairly common) fashion, as opposed to confronted me.
I'm not "playing the victim" because of this one event. It's an everyday occurrence to be treated in that manner because of my clothing, although I admit that Lawnparties drew out more vocal opposition than is normal. If it was sunnier more often here, you'd see the same exact sun dresses in a more casual context. Lawnparties is typical Princeton- and what I wear usually isn't. The situation still remains that whether it be Lawnparties or not, not all students are receptive to one another based on a dress code. Don’t you find that slightly ludicrous for such an intelligent and generally tolerant campus?
To Mr./Ms. '12:
LOL!!!
Your hostile undertones are the perfect example of the type of prejudice we encounter at Princeton University at an more frequent basis than we have in most other places/circumstances. Personally, I try not to linger on such occurrences because I am not at any fault for choosing a different style. You would never direct yourself in the same way to another group of people, lets say for example the LGBT community, for their choices because somehow in that context you realize you're being discriminant.
You've obviously already had a year to figure out that Princeton students are all above the curve. We knew that we were going to stand out in this situation, but we never expected some Princeton University students to act in a manner comparable to racists or sexists. These undertones you present with your "holier than thou" response puts to question the progression of society and enlightenment that is so conveniently expected to come with higher education.
It's no wonder that you chose to hide your name.
Woohoooooooo!!! I'm so happy about this piece! Congratulations to Headbangers for getting their message out there! Really wish I could've been there with you guys. The photo looks badass! We rock!
"We are dedicated to banish generic music one headbang at a time."
most heavy metal is pretty generic...just because it is a less-listened-to variety of generic music doesn't make it any less generic.
Also, based on the description of the outfits at lawnparties, it sounds like you were going out of your way to provoke a reaction. You obviously knew that dress was generally preppy, and you went out of your way to dress as un-preppily as possible. You're surprised you got such a response?
Calling some people being a bit taken aback that you were dressed as you were equivalent to racism or sexism is ridiculous. It's like wearing a bikini to a job interview...there's generally no stated dress code, but it's assumed you're going to dress one way and, if you don't, you'll probably get some weird looks and questions.
Hey Lulz,
Obviously you don't listen to metal. Compare a symphonic metal band to a thrash metal band and then reevaluate your statement. Here’s an example: Watch an Opeth Youtube video and then one from Asesino. There are a ridiculous number of subgenres of metal because it's so diverse-- from literal symphonies (Metallica’s S&M, Guns N Roses, etc.) to folk music (Suidakra, Ill Nino), metal has it all.
I'm not surprised there was *a* response at Lawnparties. I expected some looks because my dress wasn't preppy. I didn't expect outright hostility. People weren't just taken aback, some were extremely rude. I don't mind the "weird looks and questions" that may have been prompted by my clothing. The intolerance and lack of respect is what bothers me. There was discrimination based on attire. And let's not exaggerate. No one who wants to get the job would ever show up to the interview in a bikini. Wearing boots and black skirts to Lawnparties, where girls are supposed to wear dresses anyway, isn't that much of a stretch.
Perhaps a few points would help clarify our point.
The hostility we encountered at lawn parties is not thoroughly outlined in the article. For example, at one particular club, we were standing just outside of the door talking. We weren't being loud, causing a scene, drinking, or doing anything that would have disturbed the peace. A girl that must have been an officer took one look at us and immediately had one of the security guards check us out. There were intoxicated, belligerent guys drinking out of pitchers, plotting a fight, and causing a scene on the lawn, yet we were the suspects of danger. When I say that some students acted no better than any racist or sexist, I refer to those that deliberately acted with hostility and spoke to us in a demeaning manner. As you can see in the printed version of The Street, there is simply no space for a complete description of our various encounters, nor does it matter. The article is not about Michele's distaste of summer dresses or any she-said-he-said nonsense. To assume that is to have missed the point.
Also, the only thing I did change in the manner of my dress for lawn parties was putting my hair up. The Mistfits skeleton shirt, the miniskirt, the combat boots, and the black eye liner are things I usually wear, out on the street and to lecture. People we knew were stopping with us to say hi, and we enjoyed conversations outside with friends on a warm day just like I hope every one else did that day.
I guess my issue with the whole thing is that there were a few people out on the street that day that felt it was necessary to be rude. If they had a question as to why we dressed in a certain fashion or even if they just wanted to make sure we were students they could have acted in a manner becoming of a adult.
"If they had a question as to why we dressed in a certain fashion or even if they just wanted to make sure we were students they could have acted in a manner becoming of a adult."
and
"The Mistfits skeleton shirt, the miniskirt, the combat boots, and the black eye liner are things I usually wear, out on the street and to lecture."
When put together, this makes me laugh. I like metal though.