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E-PrinceI remember when I first heard about the idea of establishing a Center for Abstinence and Chastity, a University center that would support the needs of abstinent and chaste students. To be honest, I was deeply skeptical. It sounded like ...(back to the article)
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All chastity or abstinence arguments that Anscombe puts forth are wrapped in a blanket which hides the underlying message: people who choose to have sex, for WHATEVER reason, are inherently bad people. Why should the university support such a hateful premise?
why do they need a center? if they get one, then we should get a center to just do it. all day long.
Wow, someone's touchy.
Joel, I am also bugged by the campus Go-Sex! attitude, but you and that Brandon kid are not helping. Both your writing skills' suck and I've never heard a rational, well-defended solution from you whether on politics or social issues.
Wow, dude, you really need to get laid. Or at least to stop talking about not getting laid.
We don't need to come to a center to hang out with people so they can tell us that we are horrible people (and that gay people are outright abominations). I'm perfectly happy hanging out with my supposedly immoral friends.
difference between blacks, gays and other minorities who can feel marginalized on Princeton's campus, is that the chaste marginalize themselves by separating themselves completely from the "hook-up" culture. such marginalization doesn't need the comforts of its own center.
Lets have a happiness policy; do that which makes you happy. if fucking girls makes you happy, if getting fucked by dudes makes you happy, if not fucking makes you happy--as long as your happiness doesn't upset my happiness in a direct way--then do it.
The enemy of Anscombe is not the LGBT group; it's happiness. Read the prophet John Stuart Mill and thenceforth, shut the fuck up.
Spending money on a center for abstinence is like paying to go hungry.
@ Anonymous: I wouldn't say their message is hateful. Condescending and self-righteous? Yes, probably. But hateful? Not so much.
Also, though I sympathize with the Anscombe message (even if I don't agree with everything they stand for, I respect the underlying premise of personal and sexual integrity), I think the political motivations behind this chastity center are not to be overlooked. As I see it, this is mostly a power play. Anscombe and co. are pushing to see how much they can get from the U, and their real claims (i.e., not the fluff Alicia is spouting about speakers and pamphlets and such, which it should be pointed out, Anscombe already provides albeit not in a specific venue) are based on symmetry and institutional consistency. By that I'm referring to the LGBT Center. If you pick an Anscomber's brain, you'll find that it's the U sanctioned existence of the LGBT Center that is the true basis of their justification for the chastity center. In short, this is really just "if they get one, we should get one too" sort of situation. Anscombe knows it’s provocative to insist on a chastity center - unlike the LGBT Center, which is commonplace in American colleges - and would be very pleased by the widespread media attention such a center would attract. None of this invalidates the value of their abstinence message, but it is still worth considering with respect to the creation of a physical center. I think the real questions to be posed are: What is the relationship between the LGBT Center and a proposed chastity center? Do they in fact serve opposite purposes, as Anscombe members often suggest? And are abstinent students and LGBT students a comparable minority?
I'm curious what exactly prompted Joel to change his mind. I just imagine him sitting alone in his room one Saturday night, abstinent and alone, and thinking, "I really wish there was some sort of center where I could do this. There are really just not enough places on campus to enjoy forgoing sex...sigh."
I wonder what kind of social stigma would be attached to being seen in such a chastity center. It's like if you've ever stepped foot in there, even just for the sake of browsing, you've marked yourself with a scarlet "V." Meanwhile, if you're known to be sexually active and you poke your head inside, you're suddenly a whore and a hypocrite. Basically, entry alone would seem to become a kind of personal and political statement.