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E-PrinceThe stats tell the story of the game: 66 penalty yards, four turnovers on downs, two fumbles lost inside the 20-yard line, one interception. But the most painful numbers were those on the scoreboard: Columbia 38, Princeton 0.
The loss ...
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We hear the same excuses week afer week, year after year - too many penalties and poor execution. Ten years of mediocraty - it is time for Hughes to go.
Maybe its too many green-haired people and not enough of what Hargadon called "Princeton types"!
Wow - a nasty headline and research pulling out the 1890 game as a comparison to try to put down Columbia. How cute.
Hughes is a jerk. Columbia is an improved team, but we quit! That's on the coach.
Gary Walters was quick the hockey coach a number of years ago when the team was consistantly loosing. Now we are an ECAC top level team. He has made other good coaching decisions, i. e., Syndey Johnson. Why will it take for him to see the light with football and Hughes?
The Princetonian should publish stats on how many football recruits arrive on campus each year, vs how many are still on the roster come senior year. The number of talented players that quit the team each year is ASTOUNDING, and has to be a red flag in regards to Hughes and the respect his players have for his abilities and teachings.
Jonathan Meyers '12 is a perfect example of this. Meyers was on his way to U of Florida to play football, (FB/LB) and recruited by other TOP D-1 football programs. He eventually came to Princeton because he had the ability to play both Football AND lacrosse. He stopped playing football this year, before his sophomore year and stuck with lacrosse, arguably his "second love."
If you look at the type of student-athlete that chooses to come to Princeton every year, inherent in his/her decision is the sacrifices one will be making by being a Princeton Student-athlete. It's safe to say it is because they recognize the importance of a great student athlete experience, made great by the people that are associated with this group throughout (coaches, players, staff, etc). They want to learn from the great PEOPLE around them. I am confident that if Hughes was the type of coach that the players at least respected on this front, they would recognize that he is ADDING to their overall Princeton experience. I would bet that they would stay on and see things through for 4 years. That is clearly not the case.
The depth of the squad suffers asa result and the program is crumbling as a result.
Time to make a change.
It's oddly familiar to hear Princetonians searching for answers. As a Columbia fan, I have had to endure the same for decades and it sucks. What I saw in this game was a pretty well-balanced victory by Columbia. No flukes or hail mary's as in some past wins. Princeton could not complete passes for first downs when it counted...something that had so often been done to Columbia in my 33 years of watching them. As you all search for what to do with your storied program (which I respect immensely), please wish us luck in beating more Ivy foes and establishing Columbia as a respected opponent...not a "perennial pushover"
this is a university, not a kennel. no more recruited athletes!
picking up on the comments of Student-Athlete Alum...what I have heard on the Columbia side is that this is the largest Columbia team ever....fairly evenly balanced across the classes. Even former starters like the QB Shane Kelly, who was bumped to third string, are still on the team. They LOVE Norries Wilson and his staff....so I agree that kids sticking it out for all 4 years reflects on the coaching and on the athletes' view that they gain something from the team, the coaches, etc. So, you would do well to look into what was said in that post.
ouch, espeically to Columbia, which I read once had such an awful team in the 60s, the ivy recruiting standards for academics didn't apply to them at some point