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OSHA rules against Public Safety union over guns

Written by Tasnim Shamma, Staff Writer
Published: Monday, July 7th, 2008

The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) has ruled in favor of the University after reviewing a complaint filed on June 6 by Public Safety's Fraternal Orders of Police (FOP) union. OSHA closed the case on June 24 after ...

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  • 10:15 a.m. on July 8th, 2008
    Posted by
    Supporter

    I think Public Safety Police Officers are great! I think Public Safety as a whole is a great department. They are in touch with their community. I see officers walking, driving, cycling, and now riding (think green) through campus 24 hours a day. They always say hi and are very friendly. Of course they have a job function where they need to put on a game face. I remember reading that firearms would hurt the relationship between officers and the community. I don't think they will be meaner with a gun. I think arming them will produce a happier, more productive Public Safety Police Officer. If they want guns, research should be done to see why they "want" them. However,I do not stand alone in thinking a police officer "needs" a gun. They are trained for the "what if" and the "worst case" scenario. Regardless of percentages and case studies, no one can predict or rule out a violent act on a campus based on past history.

    I say arm our police officers, it is time to take the step into this "campus shooting" era.

    Thank you Public Safety! You keep us safe without being able to fully keep yourselves safe. Just know that there are people in your community who respect what you do and want to see you have what you are trained to use. God Bless.

  • 11:53 a.m. on July 8th, 2008
    Posted by
    090909

    Public Safety, saving the world one noise complaint at a time.

  • 2:13 p.m. on July 8th, 2008
    Posted by
    Will Scharf '08

    090909, that's not a mature way of looking at this issue. Just because public safety officers bust parties on campus and catch kids pissing in Prospect Garden doesn't mean that they're also not keeping the campus safe in a very real and necessary way. They're sworn cops, and sworn cops should be properly equipped to protect themselves and others. Lanzi's right, and Tilghman and Cliatt are wrong.

  • 1:28 p.m. on July 9th, 2008
    Posted by
    Micky Spillane

    There is an inherent illogic to the university's position. The police officers who know the campus best are not equipped to respond to a
    crisis situation. Instead the university chooses to rely on the
    supposedly cooperative Borough Police and Township Police.
    The two police forces are rivals,and the former do their best to
    disrupt campus life by focusing on petty alcohol violations. If
    our dedicated Public Safety Officers want proper arms, I say
    let's arm them, and I will even volunteer to pay for the arms
    so this will be cost-free decision for the university.

  • 4:24 p.m. on July 9th, 2008
    Posted by
    watch

    What level of cooperativeness is there? When they work the same details, do they ever work togeteher. Answer is no, they work with only their own department. It would make some sense when at on the the outdoor concerts, or athletic games for some of them to work together but they don't. Also the administration between the borough police and public safety do not get along well at all.

  • 5:27 p.m. on July 9th, 2008
    Posted by
    Ricky

    Since the university is where students & teaching professionals meet and share.Its more appropriate and the environment is more conducive for "trial-run" certain innovative ideas.
    Please use "COP-community-on-patrol" . This is both a participative and sharing concept.By involving the student population on the campus & hostel residents,the implementation of the program would yield results.The impact would generate unbelievable dividends.Have confidence, please give it a try, you've nothing to lose.In fact you stand to gain and benefit from such venture.Cheers! keep it up folks,you do have good listeners over here.Regards, Ricky

  • 10:46 a.m. on July 10th, 2008
    Posted by
    @Scharf'08

    Will, I'm just wondering because as I've followed news on this issue, you always comment strongly in favor of arming public safety. Why do you care so much about this one issue? Is it a matter of principle? Or do you really believe that we're all in danger without an armed public safety department? This is not meant to be snarky... I'm really just curious... what's your beef?

  • 4:40 p.m. on July 11th, 2008
    Posted by
    Crusty Alum

    Yay. While Public Safety undeniably knows the campus better, how are the police going to get on campus? Through one of the gates. Who are at the gates? Public safety officers. They can ride with, ride in front, etc.. I've seen it done. It's not rocket science. Knowing the campus better is not a reason for them to have guns.

  • 10:18 p.m. on July 14th, 2008
    Posted by
    Kev

    Finally Princeton eclipses it's superiority complex with a not just an elitist, but a ridiculous development: police officers without guns.
    Have fun getting mugged. Criminals are probably setting up shop already for he fall.

  • 2:55 p.m. on July 15th, 2008
    Posted by
    Whatever

    Do people even get mugged in Princeton? As far as I can tell, the worst that usually happens is funky smells from the Chem building and people pulling pranks on Whitman kids...

    But the (trained-as-police) Public Safety officers should have guns, since they have all the other equipment anyway.

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