Correction appended
The Wilson College BlackBox was the scene of a different sort of "boxing" on Friday night, after a freshman woman rejected an invitation to dance from a non-University-affiliated male. After she refused, a fight broke out that ...(back to the article)
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Posting incorrect statements from witnesses is still damaging the reputation of others, like the Safeguards. They are losing business because of foolish people thinking they are better than they are, acting out of place, and not checking their sources. The Prince should be sued for libel.
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so if people are going to attack the Prince for making relatively small errors that are based on the incorrect statements of eye-witnesses, maybe you shouldn't post an article that incorrectly states that the party was a dorm party. God.
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Trenton Times = Good Journalism: http://www.nj.com/news/times/index.ssf?/base/news-4/1208923545130750.xml&coll=5 Daily Princetonian = National Enquirer
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Minus that small detail, and the equally small detail about Blackbox having a general policy of not checking ID's. Most isn't good enough; and the Prince has a reputation for irresponsible journalism.
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1 - yes, it appears public safety responded swiftly, despite the impression of eyewitnesses at the incident (which is all Rachel quoted). 2 - there are significant recurring gang problems on and around campus, ranging from minor (MS-13 - break-ins and theft - 10/25/07) to more serious (the Bloods - assault, in this case). 3 - the person claiming the street was "not a hellhole of assault" was responding to an earlier comment by someone saying that fights break out and sexual assaults occur every week on Prospect and don't make the newspaper...a claim that is blatantly untrue. I don't think it was implying that Blackbox was in any way a hellhole instead. 4 - The idea that diversity was somehow responsible was likely tossed in there intentionally to be inflammatory. We can all agree that it's pretty much just racism and class demagoguery, so now let's stop giving him undeserved attention. 5 - remember that this message board is public, and open to anyone, not just Princeton students. Also, to be drawing broad conclusions based on anonymous message boards is just silly. 6 - Ms. Dunn got most of her facts straight, minus the small detail about the bouncers being present (but not actually bouncing in this case). Most of the problems surrounding this article came from accusations by eyewitnesses or flatly inaccurate comments posted here. She's only partly responsible for the former, and not at all for the latter.
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Public Safety was notified at 1:20am and arrived at Wilcox's at 1:21am - UNTRUE recurring gang problems on campus - huh? All I had claimed was that the Street was not a hellhole of assault - AND BLACKBOX IS? Great, this is the kind of crap that happens when Rapeleye lets in people from inner-city schools all for the sake of diversity. Diversity = a fist in a girl's face. Well done. - There are so many things wrong with this one I don't know where to begin. All students who attend blackbox are inner - city kids? Or is it just all the African - American kids? Only inner - city kids are capable of violence? Eating clubs = safe, Blackbox = unsafe. Yeah ok. All I can say is that some of these comments make me wonder how smart Princeton students really are. Ms. Dunn, please check your facts before you put them in an article for public consumption. If you don't have the facts, please try to restrain yourself from writing something up just so you can think about what a clever writer you are.
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Public Safety was notified at 1:20am and arrived at Wilcox's at 1:21am. Public Safety then chased and arrested 2 of the 3 suspects on Prospect street at 1:36 am, in front of the Campus Club. The other individual was arrested and transported to 200 Elm Drive by the Borough Police.
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Pre-frosh were shook by a fight? Don't send 'em to New Haven!
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care to elaborate?
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Many of the comments that have been made indicate misconceptions and a misunderstanding of the real situation that occurred. This is due to the misrepresentation and uniformed stance of the Daily Princetonian. The Princetonian is widely known to misquote people and misrepresent events that have occurred. Although the Prince does a great service to the Princeton University community, writers need to be very careful of what they present. They should make sure to publish facts that they have completely established as true. This way, unnecessary arguments over things that did not even happen, which results in frustration and ego-protection as seen in some of the comments made, will not have to occur.
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If these people were harassing girls on the dance floor all night, why the hell hadn't they been bounced long before the punch got thrown?
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I haven't read all the comments in depth (so maybe I'm missing something), but I think the University needs to prevent the Townie hoodlums from coming onto our campus, assaulting Princeton students, and causing trouble. This is certainly not the first case of townies assaulting people (we've had incidents of assault late at night in a parking lot), and added to the other problems they cause (like entering our rooms and stealing our stuff), it becomes clear that we need to work on (and hopefully improve) the way we deal with this issue. If the Princeton Borough is getting on our case for serving underage alcohol, let's get on their case for the harassment we're getting from their townspeople. -Townie Hater
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Maybe if we had a full-on police force that was labeled "Police" and not the "less intimidating- Public Safety" people would be less inclined to act out. You have to admit, when you see "Public Safety" versus "Police" on the responding officers, people DO NOT take them seriously. P-Safe, you get all my respect!
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I was there and didn't notice anything, but some other prefrosh saw it and were shook. I think Princeton should e-mail them and tell them this wasn't a typical thing.
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So what exactly was the purpose of all the inflammatory statements? We already have a Prince article discussing the events, there is talk about a forum tonight discussing the events and there is a statement from Blackbox which you so nicely seem to imply is a step above the devil in this situation...what purpose does statements like "because those non-Princeton students aren't the friendliest bunch and I would not be surprised if they showed up again, even angrier or with more people" serve other than to incite fear within an already vulnerable community.
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Damn you got it buddy! That's exactly what I want to do! A Movement! Yay! (stupid)
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I agree with you completely however we need to take into consideration the potential overall exaggeration of events like this by people who are simply in shock that the oh-so-protective orange bubble has been permeated. Those precedures were followed to the best of my knowledge--even the prejudicial Prince article acknowledged that. There was no need for multiple police cars and ambulances because there was only one girl in need of such assistance. Thankfully there was an EMT present but it might have slowed the process as she was being treated immediately afterwards.
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Obviously P-Safety wasn't notified in a timely matter. You people forget that someone first needs to call Public Safety. They are not omnipresent beings with constant knowledge of everything that happens on the campus. If, when someone finally called them, they called 911 from their cell phone, they would be connected to the county dispatcher, who would then have to collect all the information, contact Public Safety, the rescue squad, and/or the Borough PD and relay all that information back to that dispatcher, who must then dispatch the officers and relay all the information to them, who must then respond and approach the scene. All these transfers in information take time, especially if no one calls in the first place. The take home lesson is to program DPS in your cell phone for on-campus emergencies (609-258-3134). Clearly, the University and people involved were trying to down-play the whole encounter (like the administration does with every single incident that harms or comes close to harming a student). The University is more concerned about upholding a pristine image than it is with protecting students and prosecuting people who commit violent crimes on the campus. They would rather let criminals get away than cause a big scene with lots of police cars and ambulances, which (Heaven forbid!!!) might make the news. Guns would not have been beneficial in this situation, but it is not a valid argument against arming Princeton University Police Officers. They would not have been a detriment or a hazard to the safety of those in attendance, like some have suggested. You are seriously dumb, for lack of a better word, if you think armed Princeton University Police Officers would have come running in with guns-a-blarin' like a wild wild west saloon. These incidents are just minor incidents of the recurring gang problems on campus. A very similar incident occurred a few years back at the Carl A. Fields center, except that there were weapons on those involved.
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"Don't be dumb"? Please take a look at the escalation of comments that you have contributed to. I'm sure your intent was (somewhat) admirable in the beginning however I encourage you to take a look at how the finger pointing has escalated. Furthermore did you breathalize the Safeguard officers? I'm thinking that such an allegation is pretty damn dumb. Secondly you continue to claim that you were there. I was there too and I spoke with the two public safety officers who came into the party on two separate occasions to assess all the safety procedures that you referred to as well as talking to them prior to the event. So I'm thinking that allegation as well is pretty damn dumb. And please don't be dumb to say that that's the reason that you're not returning to Blackbox. You're trying to start a movement, you might as well admit that.
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THE SAFEGUARDS WERE NOT DRUNK. The one safeguard with red eyes had just woken up from a nap. He was placed in a non-crucial area of BlackBox so that he could finish waking up. He was not, I repeat, NOT DRUNK.
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No I do not think it is a conspiracy. But I don't this it is hard to ask for the "safeguards" to be responsive and sober. And I also dont think that it is hard to ask for there to be public safety officers from the start. We knew (from the last Blackbox with pre-frosh) that there were going to be over 1000 students at this event on Friday. I am sure, almost positive that a public safety officer of Princeton should have been present (hopefully more than one) with sooo many people present, not just in case of a fight but for safety violations. And my reasons for not returning to blackbox are not to get back at them, but for me and my friends safety, because those non-Princeton students aren't the friendliest bunch and I would not be surprised if they showed up again, even angrier or with more people. Princeton lives in a bubble and they think nothing bad can happen. Security is to lax. Dont be dumb.
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I love how almost every Prince article with a bunch of comments has a correction appended. Good thing every piece doesn't get this much attention or Mr. Editor would have his work cut out for him.
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This isn't a platform to arm P-Safe. Who had the stopwatch at the call to determine how long they took? Hey, let's disarm the surrounding police departments. P-Safe is well trained and I have never seen an officer act in a "rent-a-cop" fashion. It is absurd to make our police officers patrol without the same rights other police officers have. They all go through the same training, but our community belittles the training they went through. I think there is a misconception between P-Safe security and P-Safe police. An armed officer would not have made a difference in this instance, but I find it very hard to believe that P-safe took thirty minutes to respond. If I patrolled P'ton all day, I would be jumping out of my skin to respond to the possibility of real action.
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How did Public Safety take so long to respond? Their HQ is about 200 yards away from Wilcox. Also, how did both P-Safety and the boro police fail to catch the perpetrators of the fight. I guess the boro cops were too busy looking for public urinators to be prepared to fight some actual crime.
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You defended the street by pushing the negative stereotype on Blackbox as implying that they harbored "sexual offenders" please look to your original statement before you take the innocent plea.
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I'm surprised that Public Safety took so long to respond, and am more surprised that someone actually thinks that is an argument FOR arming them. I'm also surprised any PU male watched a female classmate get punched in the face by a guy and didn't do anything about it. I'm also surprised that the student agency didn't detain the puncher until public safety finally showed up. Terrible responses all around. I hope the "dialogue" accomplishes something. More importantly, I hope the young lady recovers emotionally as well as physically.
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Although the language is strong, I will agree with the other post entitled "Re: So Very Wrong". I understand that you are upset that it happened however punishing Blackbox, which to my understanding, simply suffered the vulnerability of all these extrenuous circumstances is not going to take your hurt away. Looking at all these other comments, some of them so classist, elitist and racist, this discussion is taking a massive turn for the worse. I understand you want the situation acknowledged but please be careful of the Pandora's box that you are opening. Once again, I'm sorry that you were hurt!
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"Yes I was there. I am very very upset with the way this event has been downplayed by this article, and the comments that were made. I hope the necessary precautions are taken next Friday." Blackbox has hosted at the MINIMUM 16 parties a year for the past three and a half years. Do the math, how long have you been here? We're talking about at minimum 56 parties with hundreds of people at each one. Up until now there has been NO incident ever, esp not a violent one, in those events that have hosted students, including the prefrosh for the past three years. This was a freak accident and you act as if there was some sort of conspiracy for you and your friend to get hurt. Blackbox has apologized already and, quite honestly, I'm offended as a student because you act as if they threw the punch themselves. They said the appropriate measures were going to take place and thats still not good enough for you. Would you prefer every board member of Blackbox be crucified for 0.017857% chance of this event which was a combination of the most terrible circumstances? I'm not coming at you, I just think that this whole witchunt is unfair towards the students of Blackbox who are trying to make it right. Vindictive victims don't help the situation when they are already taking responsibility.
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Wow, I wasn't quite expecting that response: "Get over yourself have YOU been to the street or are you too much of a naive freshman to be able to get in anywhere? Or maybe your too drunk or whatever else to remember how incidents like this do not occur all the time but certainly MORE than this one incident. Perhaps you're just too busy telling the girl it was her fault or excusing the guy saying "He was drunk, it's ok" I certainly don't appreciate being called a drunk or an accessory to date rape. Your comments were inappropriate and immature, and you should take a hard look at yourself in the mirror you so flippantly insult your colleagues again without knowing anything about them. All I had claimed was that the Street was not a hellhole of assault. I don't understand the need to protect BlackBox by denigrating the environments that so many of us (~70-80%, by the last count) find to be very safe, comfortable homes for our last two years here. Have the clubs ever had problems? Of course, and they've taken huge steps to prevent them from occurring again, just like BlackBox will inevitably do after this incident. There's no reason not to keep this discussion civil.
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Are you honestly claiming that P-Safe having guns would have helped the incident here? There are arguments to be made for having access to firearms in case of a shooter, but for a fight, the presence of guns are likely to cause more harm than good. Also, P-Safe didn't show up immediately, so forgive me if it's hard to see how them being armed and sitting in a car down on Elm Drive would have stopped the fight sooner.
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I am all for a safe campus experience, but we are missing the issue here. We have a public safety department with a new wave of younger, fit, male officers walking/driving our streets. They are handicapped in their response because they can not fully protect themselves. How do we stay protected when our public safety force does not have the tools to keep themselves safe? The orange bubble has been compromised and this community is not as safe as we were all told it once was. FACEBOOK-PRINCETONIANS FOR A SAFER CAMPUS.
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"Great, this is the kind of crap that happens when Rapeleye lets in people from inner-city schools all for the sake of diversity. Diversity = a fist in a girl's face. Well done." Right, because middle-class kids never act in a violent manner. Let's automatically blame the inner-city kids for this mess because we all know that, by virtue of simply being the products of an inner-city school, they don't deserve to be here (nevermind the fact that the aggressors in this case weren't even affiliated with the University).
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I cant wait to hear what the Princeton Administration has to say about this
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Assault on a female is treated the same as assault on a policeman in some states. In certain aggravating circumstances, that charge can be pushed up to a felony. This is not someone stalking the streets at night, looking for easy prey; it is a psychopath stalking in broad daylight. This person needs to do at least 2 years in prison for this "sexual" assault if not 5-10. She said “no” to someone's advances, and she got punched for standing up for herself. Police apprehend suspect in assault case against doesn't seem to be in the headlines at this newspaper. What gives?
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The person who responded to "So Very Wrong" was obviously not present for the event in question and also quite possibly a very stupid person to put it in the simplest way possible. Also I'm really curious as to why, exactly, it's impossible for a student to be involved yet manage to walk away from an incident without being seriously hurt. Pardon me if I fail to see the logic there. "Yea you're an idiot." But on another note, I'd just like to add that safeguards were not only very unhelpful with managing the chaos that broke out in blackbox, but many of them were also quite drunk on the job, further affecting their response. Safeguards are not enough for such events and security of higher measures must be utilized in the future, if there is a future for blackbox. Also I probably do not even need to hit on the number of prefrosh that I'm sure the university has now lost.
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First of all, this is DEFINITELY not an issue of "diversity." So that comment was completely unnecessary and out of context. The guys who caused this disturbance were not affiliated with the University, they were not students or prefrosh. I feel like the article could have done a better job reinforcing that fact. Also, the article is very misleading regarding the actual sequence of events. The young lady in question was not punched because she told the guy "look i'm not dancing with you" there were other events that occurred before she was hit. I also feel like we really can't blame the BlackBox staff for "letting this happen" as this happened in the back of the party, closer to the door where the safeguards were sitting while most of the staff were on stage. I, myself, was at the front of the party and completely unaware of what happened until one of my friends mentioned it to me. As for the prox issue, every other BlackBox I have been to, my prox has been checked. However, I don't recall having my prox checked at this BlackBox which is probably a result of the amount of prefrosh present who do not have identification. We need to stop attacking people and trying to find someone to BLAME and find a way to make sure this doesn't happen again.
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This is not a diversity issue. These were students that did not attend the University, but lived in the Princeton township. Please do not blame this incident on diversity.
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Great, this is the kind of crap that happens when Rapeleye lets in people from inner-city schools all for the sake of diversity. Diversity = a fist in a girl's face. Well done.
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I am not defending anyone, I am commenting on the lack of security at blackbox. I was one of the girls that was pushed and harassed by these men that started the fight. My very good friend was the girl that got hit. Yes I was there. I am very very upset with the way this event has been downplayed by this article, and the comments that were made. I hope the necessary precautions are taken next Friday. Although I will not be attending the next Blackbox. And no, I was not "sitting duck" as you soo amazingly put it. I was the one notifying the "safeguards" of what was going on BEFORE the fight broke out. I was trying to help, but was held back by other students. I can obviously say you were not at the event, yet seem to be soo opinionated.
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You're not getting the point. After all that has happened, 21 comments later and not one of your self righteous students have commented "I hope this poor girl is ok!". You're too busy trying to attribute blame (aka CRY) over spilt milk. And I was there as well, So Very Wrong, has a very animated version of what happened. This is probably why, as Dunn notes, Blackbox released a statement, yet about 15 words of that statement were actually cited.
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"I remember the Prefrosh going out to the Street during prefrosh weekend and never seeing anyone punched." Maybe I'm missing something here, but I really don't understand this prevailing assumption that an event like this could never happen on the Street. Granted, as another commenter mentioned, the eating clubs generally do a good job of controlling who gets in and who doesn't. But I'm wondering how that would be possible during pre-Frosh weekend (especially considering that with the sheer number of people attending pre-frosh Street parties the last two weekends, checking Ids at certain eating clubs would be futile for the same reasons outlined in this article).
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Re: Alum "Oh, and hey, Borough Council, are you going to charge BlackBox, Inc. with maintaining a nuisance? Yeah, didn't think so. Will Scharf, make sure your lawyer puts this incident in your pleadings..." Correct me if I'm wrong here, but wasn't the boro's involvement in the Scharf affair due to eating clubs being "officially" unaffiliated with the University (whereas BlackBox is a group sponsored by Wilson College and, as such, problems regarding BlackBox are more likely to be dealt with by administration as opposed to the boro)?
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What, why are you verbally attacking an eye-witness? Who are you (quite unsuccessfully) defending? BlackBox's poorly planned event? The Prince's poorly done article? It's just so weird to see someone post real details of what happened, and then be attacked for it. What?
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That's not fair. The eating clubs have their share of problems. People do get hurt at the clubs. However, the clubs do a better job of making sure who is and who isn't inside.
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Eating clubs = safe, Blackbox = unsafe
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You seem to have been present to see each and every aspect of what you describe as an event that has made you question security--were you hurt? Given your proximity to everything I would say something had to happen that enabled you to be a sitting duck that clearly did not help ameliorate the situation but instead stand aside and watch carefully. Perhaps the event was more contained than you think, since in every other situation like that that I have seen at other schools someone in your proximity would have NEVER been able to walk away to cry "Where was the security".
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wow, it is really funny how wrong this article is regarding the incident. 1. it took public safety over 30 minutes to respond and when they finally did they only had two officers 2. the safeguards did not "successfully contain the fight"...they were notified before the fight even broke out that there was about to be fight, and did nothing 3. the only reason it was contained was because Blackbox did not turn on the lights nor cut off the music 4. the whole waiting outside for Public Safety and EMTs, no, the non-Princeton affiliated students somehow ended up outside where yet ANOTHER fight broke up 5. the non-affiliated Princeton Students (the ones who were not caught by the police) were still walking around campus after the fight occured princeton overall did a horrible job of "containing" the situation, and the slow to non-existent presence of public-safety officers was very upsetting, my feeling of security at this campus as severely dropped
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The first person who responded to you is correct. I remember going to the street and seeing a guy simply not take no for an answer, which may have been because of the influence etc. The assumption that that could never happen at the street needs to be stopped, something getting out of hand could happen anywhere if the right components are present...
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And what would you prefer the prefrosh do? Go to the street, most of them who have never drank before, and get plastered with beast because no one will check if they are drinking once they get in? This incident occurred within a group of Princeton students. I was THERE and the Prefrosh continued to party until 3am without a disturbance. The focus of this article should have been the tragedy present not a witch hunt for a scapegoat for an incident that simply just got out of hand and could have happened anywhere. Shame on you for bringing yourself down to an undergraduate level. Really.
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Get over yourself have YOU been to the street or are you too much of a naive freshman to be able to get in anywhere? Or maybe your too drunk or whatever else to remember how incidents like this do not occur all the time but certainly MORE than this one incident. Perhaps you're just too busy telling the girl it was her fault or excusing the guy saying "He was drunk, it's ok". Check the statistics before you name names, I mean this article is not setting a good example of that, but it has to start somewhere.
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WAKE UP People! The aggressors were gang members!
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This was a pre-frosh event?!? In the same year that early-decision was abolished?!? This could murder our yield in the very year we needed it most. The administration and the borough should really take this to heart. I remember the Prefrosh going out to the Street during prefrosh weekend and never seeing anyone punched. After all the time and effort we put into emphasizing how safe our campus is compared to other schools... Oh, and hey, Borough Council, are you going to charge BlackBox, Inc. with maintaining a nuisance? Yeah, didn't think so. Will Scharf, make sure your lawyer puts this incident in your pleadings...
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Have you ever been to the street? Or are you just relying on accumulated stereotypes? Prospect, like Blackbox, is not this horrible place filled with violent sex offenders.
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The girl was being helped by 3 other girls and BlackBox staff did crowd control by preventing people from following her as they took care of her. The general feeling was that extra help would just get in the way.
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...if that pre-frosh will get his admission revoked.
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The writer got it wrong: All the BlackBox events I've been to have checked ID. Anyone not a Princeton student must be accompanied by a Princeton student and approved by the BlackBox president. In the case of the prefrosh party, though, my prox was checked the first time but not when I went in and out afterwards. I can see how some non-Princeton students could have easily gotten in, since it was dark. Normally, ID-checking is done in bright light, but since there are two entrances to the Dining Hall, and one is in the dark, the bouncers also had to be in the dark and probably could not have seen the ID's very well.
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Blackbox actually does check for prox on normal business days. What actually happens for pre-frosh weekends is that there is no way to identify them as pre-frosh and therefore checking for ID becomes futile.
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The eating clubs are safe? Please explain that to the multiple girls who have filed sexual ABUSE complaints not just harassment. There are more than enough fights that break out at the eating clubs every week and yet they somehow never seem to make the Prince on Monday morning. Maybe this writer should take that into consideration the next time she selects one isolated incident in a three year existence vs. a frequent occurence that affects a larger number of people every week...
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They do chk id; it was probably because of the prefrosh not having proxes and whole groups walking through that they got in. Also, first incident in 3+ years if I'm not mistaken. Oh and lets give some applause to the writer here. "The Wilson College BlackBox was the scene of a different sort of “boxing” on Friday night" That was unbelievably clever!
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why don't they check for id at blackbox?
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See, the eating clubs are safe, but go to a residential college and your very physical safety is danger
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