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Keep grad students off the street

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Published: Thursday, February 21st, 2008
Construction on the new Butler College is beginning, right on the heels of luxurious Whitman. But we should take a minute to worry about what isn't being built in Princeton: housing for graduate students. This Monday, the University unveiled its ...(back to the article)

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  • 1.
    2:28 p.m. on Feb. 27th, 2008
    Posted by A Grad Student

    How about tying the expansion of the graduate school to the expansion of housing units available for graduate students? In calculating the number of graduate students, all those receiving either stipends or AI monies should be included so that those in DCE status are not left out.

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    1:02 p.m. on Feb. 27th, 2008
    Posted by Butler Resident

    It's very important that the number of units in the graduate housing pool grow, not shrink, as the graduate population grows. But there is a second and equally important problem that the university needs to address: rising rents. With the demolition of Butler the university will be replacing its last relatively affordable units with significantly more expensive Stanworth (whose projected rents are described as "New Lawrence-like") and Hibben-Magie units. I get the sense from my conversations with housing staff -- including the director of the housing department -- that the people in charge of graduate housing have no idea how difficult it is to get by on the base stipend for Ph.D. students here. Why should we accept that the university act like a profiteering landlord rather than accommodating its students at a reasonably livable cost?

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    6:21 p.m. on Feb. 26th, 2008
    Posted by Fuck Princeton Is Right

    Look it's simple. Princeton is either going to support the graduate programme- which is what REALLY makes a University tick as opposed to the foolish ideas held by undergraduates that they are at all important, cooler, smarter, etc. than grad students- or fail as an institution and suffer deserved public ridicule and loss of stature as a result.

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    9:22 a.m. on Feb. 23rd, 2008
    Posted by A.F. West

    While I haven't been following all the plans, announcements, etc. about The Future, once the hospital moves out of Princeton, isn't the University supposed to be purchasing that building and the Merwick Bldgs (by the YMCA) and convert those to apartments, for grad students (single and couples)? Granted, all that will take years-- but so will most of the other plans that started all this.

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    1:26 p.m. on Feb. 22nd, 2008
    Posted by Puck Frinceton

    I actively discourage prospective students from applying to or matriculating at Princeton for graduate school because of this kind of bullshit. If they have offers from places like Harvard, Michigan, or Berkeley, I tell them to go there. It doesn't help that many undergraduates have no idea what graduate students have to go through and endure to be here. I hope Princeton administrators are reading this. Graduate students are fed up.

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    5:43 a.m. on Feb. 22nd, 2008
    Posted by Build It.

    To further Yup and others' comments, the University has a great deal to gain in striving to retain a critical mass of graduate students in Princeton (ideally by the creative development of living environments that promote community, recreation and healthy, environmentally friendly living). Places like Harvard, Berkeley, Ann Arbor, Penn not only have strong and desirable housing stock in nearby areas, they also are surrounding by the types of communities that attract and sustain students with full lives in addition to their academic pursuits. No matter how much waving-of-hands occurs, how many people are hired to develop programing and organize ice cream socials, the bubble model of inwardly focussed community development that works well for an undergraduate population is not going to translate well for adults. Given the demand for housing and the desire for expanding the graduate school, it seems like nothing but a win-win opportunity to improve the circumstances of graduate student living at the same time.

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    11 p.m. on Feb. 21st, 2008
    Posted by Gs10

    One more point to add to this excellent article -- many departments at Princeton (including my own home department) are currently seeking to expand their graduate programs. More grad students admitted means more grad students Princeton can't house. Why do departments want more grad students when we're facing a housing shortage? Because great graduate programs attract top professors in a way that even the best undergraduates can't. This is particularly true in the sciences, where professors need committed, full-time graduate researchers to work in their laboratories. If Princeton isn't able to offer top faculty members a strong graduate program, the University will have a difficult time attracting and retaining truly excellent faculty.

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    9:45 p.m. on Feb. 21st, 2008
    Posted by Yup

    And there's more to it than simple convenience and environmental economy; generally, the numbers go like this: 1/3-1/2 of a grad's stipend goes to pay for "affordable" university housing; moving to a city (in NJ, PA, or NY) with rail ties to Pton costs AT LEAST the same. (And forget about it if you're single.) Move somewhere else, and you're paying even more to maintain a car as well an apartment. It's ridiculous!, and moreover - if you NEED to use Firestone or a lab on campus - you're instantly at a disadvantage. Two solutions: build new grad housing on campus, or stand up to this bully of a town - sorry, borough - we live in and get it to rezone some areas north of Nassau for high/medium-occupancy housing. Who knows, maybe if they can live in town and still save some stipend money, grad students will actually spend more in Princton! ps. Sketchy grad students who show up at Terrace after 2am are hot.

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    6:44 p.m. on Feb. 21st, 2008
    Posted by Millstone Resident

    Wow -- this is eye-opening. Other major universities (like Harvard or Yale) who don't have lots of on-campus graduate housing at least have affordable rental options. Princeton can't expect both to expand its graduate programs and freeze out its graduate students. A "good" stipend quickly becomes much less competitive when housing costs at least $1200 a month. Surely a one-time expense of building housing and then forever after collecting rents is much more cost effective than paying us what it would take to be competitive with other schools if we have to rent off-campus....

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    6:39 p.m. on Feb. 21st, 2008
    Posted by I Hate Princeton

    Excellent article. Some additional points. Princeton has no business enforcing residence requirements when it can't provide adequate housing. And it's incredibly unrealistic to rely on the local housing market to fill the housing gap, considering that the local area has one of the the most expensive housing markets in the country. You can't compare Princeton to places with housing markets much more suitable for students like Berkeley, Ann Arbor, or Cambridge. In light of the university's overall contempt for its graduates, Princeton graduates should seriously consider forming a union. Princeton cannot function without its preceptors, lab workers, research assistants, etc., and it's time that we show some muscle through collective action.

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    3:30 p.m. on Feb. 21st, 2008
    Posted by New Lawrence Resident

    Did #3 even read the article? The University is in a great position to build graduate housing that broadcasts its commitment to sustainability. The opportunities for Princeton to be a powerful advocate for and model of green housing abound: energy-efficient lighting and appliances, geothermal heating, and sustainable building materials are just a few places to start. Building much-needed house is a real chance to build healthy communities.

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    2:50 p.m. on Feb. 21st, 2008
    Posted by Grad Mcsketchy

    I'm most just curious to know who thought this was an effective title. Use of double entendre in journalism typically requires that both meanings are accurate... I suppose something like "Graduate Housing Shortage" just isn't clever enough.

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    10:20 a.m. on Feb. 21st, 2008
    Posted by Anonymous Butler Resident

    Hear, hear. The current plan will only worsen the economic problems of Princeton grad students while pushing them farther toward the edges of the campus and the margins of the administration's attention. Notice that the campus plan talks about "creating a graduate housing neighborhood" to the southwest of campus, but this "neighborhood" consists of the already existing Hibben-Magie and Lawrence complexes, which in no way constitute a neighborhood. The most embarrassing thing about the plan's blind spot for graduate housing is how easy, and cheap, this problem would be to remedy; compared to construction projects like the new chemistry building, a new graduate housing complex would be far from a budget-breaker. Since the university so visibly does not care about providing the same high-quality housing for graduate students that it does for undergraduates (seriously, compare Butler or Hibben to Whitman College sometime, kids!), it ought to be very, very inexpensive to fill the housing shortfall. I'm quite sure that new Butler Tract-style units could easily be provided for less than $100,000 each including all expenses.

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    8:54 a.m. on Feb. 21st, 2008
    Posted by Dean

    The animosity of undergrads towards grad students on this campus is disgusting. The vast majority are not sketchy but are really cool and interesting when you get to know them. It's sad that they are pretty much unwelcome at every eating club (other than Terrace, where they are at least tolerated).

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    8 a.m. on Feb. 21st, 2008
    Posted by Princetonian

    I kept reading when I realized this wasn't a call to keep interesting, diverse and thoughtful grad students out of eating clubs.

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    3:42 a.m. on Feb. 21st, 2008
    Posted by Chartan

    I stopped reading after I realized this wasn't a call to keep sketchy grad students out of eating clubs

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